is the place where you say, jim lehrer said let's not. and mitt romney wants to kill big bird. and that whole social media wave, i think, influences journalists and all of the other people who are on twitter. >> we're talking about the substance of the debate, though. sorry, richard. it was a substantive debate. there's a lot of information there, lot of details, lot of studies cited. isn't it the role of the moderator, too, to ding, ding, ding, when something goes off the rails, when he knows something isn't true, to step in and take control? >> actual dishonesty or in terms of time and format? >> on a talk show you certainly would jump in and say you said this. but last night you said this in a presidential debate, and lehrer's philosophy is let the candidates go at it, fact check each other. he he did ask good questions but basically decided to make it about them not about him. a lot of anchors don't do that. >> if you know, if you've done your homework and you know that somebody comes on that stage and say something that is in opposition to something that they've said in the past and you'